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Welcome to another edition of the Organized Chaos Newsletter! I'm thrilled to bring you highlights from our latest podcast episode featuring Gwenevere Crary, the visionary founder of Guide to HR and host of the Scaling with People podcast.

Recognized as the 2020 Executive of the Year by the National HR Association, Gwenevere is a trailblazer in redefining people operations for startups with her forward-thinking approach.

In this episode, we explored the evolving landscape of HR, diving into how AI is transforming the field, the critical skills modern HR professionals need, and the unique challenges startups face when scaling their people strategies.

Check out the full interview on your favorite podcast app or YouTube.

AI Enablement: Revolutionizing HR Operations

Gwenevere shared her passion for integrating AI into HR, emphasizing a pivotal shift from viewing AI as a threat to embracing it as a partner.

Through her company, Guide to HR, she helps organizations overcome initial hesitations by identifying repetitive tasks ripe for automation, such as writing or data analysis, allowing HR teams to focus on strategic priorities.

She also highlighted the importance of data security, compliance, and bias mitigation when implementing AI solutions, ensuring these tools enhance rather than hinder fairness in HR processes.

Key Takeaway: AI isn’t here to replace HR but to empower it. By starting with automation of mundane tasks and building a solid foundation of compliance and data safety, HR can leverage AI to become more efficient and impactful, marking a crucial moment for the function to own technological transformation.

Next-Level AI Tools: Coaching and Role-Playing

One of the most exciting prospects Gwenevere discussed is the development of AI-driven coaching tools, something that she’s working on right now, that offer personalized guidance and role-playing scenarios.

This innovation addresses a critical gap: many managers, despite years of experience, lack formal training in leadership skills and how to truly manage others. AI can simulate conversations, suggest career growth strategies, and even follow up on one-on-one discussions, making it a safe space for managers to practice without judgment.

Key Takeaway: AI coaching tools can revolutionize manager development by providing accessible, personalized support. This technology helps bridge the skill gap in leadership and enables managers to grow confidently without the discomfort of traditional role-playing.

Essential Skills for the Modern HR Professional

Gwenevere stressed that the traditional HR role is becoming obsolete, urging professionals to pivot towards business acumen. Understanding how a company makes money, its strategic goals, and how HR can drive those objectives is no longer optional, it’s essential.

She reflected on her own career, noting that early on, she was too buried in admin and compliance to focus on business strategy, a mindset that today’s HR leaders must shed much earlier in their careers, ideally within the first 3-5 years.

Key Takeaway: The future HR leader must be a business strategist first. Mastering HR fundamentals is crucial, but pairing that with a deep understanding of business operations, financials, and product goals is what elevates HR from a tactical function to a strategic partner.

Scaling HR in Startups: Building Credibility

For HR professionals in scaling startups, Gwenevere offered actionable advice on gaining a seat at the table. She encouraged stepping back to assess how HR is perceived by peers and leaders, emphasizing the need to understand the business deeply, its revenue streams, strategic direction, and operational needs.

Additionally, she addressed the harsh reality of mismatched leadership dynamics, advising HR leaders to recognize when trust with key stakeholders is irreparable and consider moving on to environments where they can thrive.

Key Takeaway: In startups, HR must proactively demonstrate its value by aligning with business goals and communicating strategically. Building trust and credibility requires knowing the business inside out, but if leadership alignment fails, it may be time to seek a better cultural fit to maintain effectiveness.

HR’s Future: Owning Technology and Partnerships

Looking ahead, Gwenevere envisions HR taking ownership of technology integration, including AI and infrastructure, to ensure ethical implementation and reskilling of employees. We cited examples like Moderna’s bold move to merge IT under the people function, signaling a convergence of HR and tech leadership.

For those less tech-savvy, she advocates strong partnerships with CIOs and CTOs to safeguard employee experiences from bias and poor tech deployment.

Key Takeaway: HR’s future lies in owning technology to shape employee experiences responsibly. Whether through direct leadership or strategic partnerships with IT, HR must champion AI and data initiatives to remain relevant and protect organizational culture in an increasingly digital landscape.

My Final Thoughts

I’m absolutely energized by the depth and innovation Gwenevere brought to our conversation. Her perspective as both a strategic visionary and a hands-on HR leader is incredibly inspiring, and here’s what stood out across the key topics we covered:

• AI as a Partner: I’m thrilled by Gwenevere’s reframing of AI as an ally for HR. Her approach to starting with small automations to ease teams into tech adoption is practical and actionable, aligning perfectly with my belief that we must embrace tools that free us to focus on people, not paperwork.
• Innovative Coaching Tools: The idea of a 24/7 AI coach resonated with me. As someone who’s trained thousands of managers and witnessed their reluctance to role-play, I see immense potential in a private, judgment-free space for leadership growth. This has the potential to be a game-changer for people managers at large, especially at scaling organizations.
• Business-First HR: Guinevere’s call for HR to prioritize business understanding hits home. I’ve long advocated that we can’t drive impact without knowing how our companies operate and succeed, and her emphasis on this shift early in one’s career is a wake-up call for the industry. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I think that HR professionals who don’t shift to a business-first mindset will struggle to remain relevant (and dare I say useful) in the next 5 years.
• Navigating Startup Challenges: Gwenevere’s advice on assessing HR’s perception and knowing when to move on from misaligned leadership is a hard but necessary truth. I’ve seen firsthand how cultural fit with leadership can make or break HR’s effectiveness, and her candidness here is invaluable. Regardless how good you are as an HR leader, you need leadership support from your peers in order to impact the business.
• Tech Ownership in HR’s Future: Finally, Gwenevere’s vision of HR owning technology integration is bold and forward-thinking. The Moderna example we referenced sparks ideas on how we can redefine our role, and I’m excited to explore partnerships that position HR at the forefront of this evolution.

Thank you for joining me in unpacking this insightful discussion. I encourage you to connect with Gwenevere on LinkedIn, explore her Guide to HR website for the free AI assessment tool, and tune into her podcast, Scaling with People, for more business insights. Let’s keep pushing the boundaries of what HR can achieve together!

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